Josh Moran:         00:05          You're listening to The Why and How podcast, produced by the Ontario Agricultural College of the University of Guelph. Where we look to answer the big questions in agriculture, food and the environment through casual conversation rooted in research.

Josh Moran:         00:19          Hello everyone, welcome. You're listening to The Why and How podcast. And today we are joined by multiple, multiple guests which is very exciting. So our first guest is obviously Jordan. Thanks for being on again, Jordan.

Jordan Terpstra:    00:34          Hey Josh. It's a pleasure as always. I'm super excited for today's episode. So we have a couple of special guests with us today. Do you want to introduce them?

Josh Moran:         00:41          I would love to. So our first guest here is Stephanie Craig. Stephanie is our producer and she's often our behind the scenes making things work kind of person. But today she's on the front line. Thanks for being on, Stephanie.

Stephanie Craig:    00:53          Hello. I have to say it's very nerve wracking to be on this side of the microphone.

Josh Moran:         00:57          Well, I think you're going to do great.

Stephanie Craig:    00:58          Thanks, Josh.

Josh Moran:         00:59          Great voice for radio. And we're also joined by someone else, and this is very exciting for me. We're joined by Graeme, who's a first year student here at the University of Guelph, who's actually going to be the new host of the podcast in this upcoming year. So thanks for being on, Graeme.

Graeme Li:          01:11          Hello. Hello. Thank you for having me on.

Jordan Terpstra:    01:13          And so we'll talk a little bit more about logistics and kind of the role and transition later on in the episode. But I'm wondering if, Stephanie, if you just want to kind of give a little blurb about yourself and kind of let us know who you are.

Stephanie Craig:    01:25          Yeah, so I'm actually the communications manager here at the OAC dean's office. And so many moons ago, a student named Josh Moran came to me and said, "Hey, I think we should start a research podcast." And so as part of my role, I've been supporting Josh and Jordan to make that happen.

Jordan Terpstra:    01:42          Very cool. And Graham, what about yourself? Why don't you give us a little blurb?

Graeme Li:          01:45          As Josh said, I'm a first year agriculture science students at Guelph. And I saw the ad for the podcast and I thought, "Hey, that sounds like fun. Sounds interesting." And now, here we are.

Jordan Terpstra:    01:57          Here we are. Very cool. And so today's also, it's our holiday special. So Josh, the format today is a little bit different. Why don't you kind of give us a breakdown of what we'll be covering and how it's going to work.

Josh Moran:         02:06          Usually we're interviewing masters students or staff, faculty or professors about their research, but we're taking a little bit of a different lens. It's kind of like a year end reflection and holiday special today. So we're going to go over some things like our favorite episodes, maybe what some of our stats look like and where people are listening from, all that exciting stuff, just to give you guys a bit of insight as to how the podcast works.

Stephanie Craig:    02:28          We're also drinking a lot of egg nog today.

Josh Moran:         02:29          Lots of egg nog.

Jordan Terpstra:    02:30          Yes. Cheers to the egg nog.

Josh Moran:         02:31          Cheers.

Stephanie Craig:    02:31          Cheers.

Jordan Terpstra:    02:33          Clink clink. And so then we're also going to get to know Graeme a little bit better. And so we're actually going to kind of flip the script. You listeners get to hear me and Josh talk more. I know you're very excited about that. And Stephanie will kind of be our host for today asking most of the questions.

Stephanie Craig:    02:47          Yeah. So I thought it would be fun to turn the tables on our typical hosts and ask them some things about the recording of the podcast and steps forward. So to start off, I'm going to pose a bunch of questions to all three of our guests today. And the first one is actually going to be specifically for Josh and Jordan. I want to know what was your favorite episode to actually record and then maybe what was your favorite episode to listen to or the content covered? So Jordan, you want to start us off?

Jordan Terpstra:    03:14          Sure. So that's a tough question because I feel every episode was a lot of fun to record. It's been a fun process so far. But I would have to say that probably the trailer, because I got the most air time. Fully joking there. I would say that episode three was definitely one of my favorites to record. So that one is Why Are Bees Struggling and How Can We Help. So I really enjoyed that one, recording it for various reasons. So Alana Pindar, our guest, was our first and I think only so far post doc researcher. So she's definitely been around a long time and she knows her stuff. So it was a lot of fun to get to know her. I thought she was a pro when we were talking to her. She was really funny. And I think that too often when we're discussing bees, bees are definitely a big topic for me and one of my favorite things to talk about, but we always just talk about honeybees.

Jordan Terpstra:    04:07          So I think it was really great because Alana gave a nice overview, including wild and native bees in Ontario and kind of how they're doing and not just honeybees, which was a lot of fun. I thought she brought up some really great topics, especially around the fear of bees. So that quite often people are scared that bees are going to attack them and hurt them. And to quote Alana, she said that, "They're just out searching for food the same as university students on campus." So I thought she was very funny to use that analogy, but I thought it was a cool lesson for hopefully our listeners and people to know that bees aren't really out there to get you they're just kind of living and doing their thing. So I think that's kind of like my favorite episode and yeah.

Stephanie Craig:    04:49          Well and our listeners probably I think would agree with you because that's actually our number one top streamed or downloaded episode of all of the episodes so far. So it seems that a lot of other people also enjoyed that content.

Jordan Terpstra:    05:03          Very cool.

Stephanie Craig:    05:04          What about, was there one that you listened to that you thought was different or more interesting you didn't anticipate to be as interesting as it was?

Jordan Terpstra:    05:12          Yeah, so I wouldn't say, I definitely anticipated that it would be a lot of fun, is episode five, how Does Plant Based Meat Change the Menu. I think because plant based meat is in the news very frequently. You see it everywhere for your fast food chains, you've seen it advertised. So I knew it would be a lot of fun because it's a very hot topic. So we talked to Professor Ben Bohrer with that one. And the thing I liked about him is that because there's so many considerations when it comes to health, the environment, how these products are made, marketing, there's a lot to talk about. He gave a very just general overview and he kind of spoke to both sides, which I really appreciated. And he really knows his stuff.

Jordan Terpstra:    05:55          So I have a quote here from him as well, which I was really cool and it was actually our most liked quote/post on our social media as well. So he said that, "There's an environmentally friendly way to raise livestock and there's an environmentally unfriendly way to raise plants." So I think that really raised an important note that I think we're comparing these two things too often. That livestock or animal agriculture is the bad guy and plants are the good guy. But there's... It works both ways. So I thought that was really cool.

Jordan Terpstra:    06:24          And then another note is just that he spoke about not enough focus is on how cool this technology is or that we're able to take plants and products and create a burger that you, if you didn't know, probably wouldn't know that isn't meat. So I think talking about that and focusing on the positive and I think that's really cool.

Stephanie Craig:    06:46          It was actually our fourth most popular episode. So people tended to agree to agree with you as well on that. So Josh, how about you? What did you have the most fun actually recording?

Josh Moran:         06:56          I think that one of my favorite episodes so far would probably be the one that we recorded with the Brendan McDougall, the one about a agri food trade. Not only is Brendan a good friend and that does help out. So I mean to sit down the conversation was comfortable and was fun and it was going off of conversations that we may have had in the past. So we could really structure in that way. And I think that you could maybe even feel that chemistry in the conversation, which is what made it super enjoyable for me.

Josh Moran:         07:19          But also I think a lot of times we kind of just see prices for food and we don't necessarily know why things are the way they are or how interconnected everything is from country to country when it comes to trade. And I mean it can sound really, really bland and boring when you talk about the economics or the policy behind things. But I think the turnaround is, is that once you see it through a practical lens, which I think Brendan did an excellent job of showing that, it becomes real, it becomes understandable. And then you can gain a greater appreciation for sort of how things work and why this costs this much and why it costs more for them or why we're spending this much money to bring this in versus sending out that much money. So, I mean it can be boring because it's numbers, but I think that it's something that's super important to understand and plus Brendan's just a really good dude.

Stephanie Craig:    08:11          I have to say that I also was surprised by how much I really enjoyed that episode. The idea of free trade not actually being free is not something I had really critically thought about until I listened to that episode. And then I thought about, yeah, tariffs and taxes that you pay. And I have to say that one was one that I was not necessarily looking forward to editing, but I really enjoyed listening to it and it was hard to figure out what we had to cut down for time and what to keep in, for sure. Josh, was there any episode that you were surprised and really actually enjoyed the content more than you thought?

Josh Moran:         08:42          So I think the one that surprised me the most would probably be our episode with Chirag when we spoke about First Nations fisheries. I think that... I mean, I am an international development minor and I do really appreciate RDP work. So through that lens I didn't necessarily know what to expect going into it. But after recording that episode, I mean I just gained a serious amount of respect for Chirag and then [inaudible 00:09:08] for the work that they do in terms of creating sustainable lanes of development. And not only working towards something more sustainable but working towards something more sustainable and meeting the needs of individuals in these communities.

Josh Moran:         09:22          And I mean listening to that one and having that conversation and really developing that understanding for me was a huge personal take away. Pardon me. That I didn't necessarily expect going in. So that was very, very nice and appreciated. And it was probably one of the best surprises of our recording phases.

Stephanie Craig:    09:40          So Graeme, I'm not sure if you've listened to all of the episodes, but I would love to know what your favorite episode has been so far as the listener.

Graeme Li:          09:47          Recently, I've been thinking about the one with the 10 million trees that's about plant tissue culture. And I just find it really cool that you can take all sorts of plants and just cut a little tiny stem off them and then basically have infinite plants just off that one.

Stephanie Craig:    10:03          It does seem a little bit like magic, for sure.

Graeme Li:          10:05          Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Jordan Terpstra:    10:06          Well, and to give a bit of context in a conversation that we had previously. So Graeme, you're in honors or you're in agriculture, right? And you're in your first year, so you're going to be specializing soon and you have an interest in plants, yes?

Graeme Li:          10:19          Yep. I plan on going into CHATS .

Jordan Terpstra:    10:20          Very cool. So that's-

Stephanie Craig:    10:21          Which is?

Jordan Terpstra:    10:22          Crop horticulture and turf grass science?

Stephanie Craig:    10:25          Yes. So behind the scenes when we went to go select topics, Josh came to the table with quite a few different ideas, but then Jordan and I also had some suggestions. And so I think that was kind of fun for you too, that you would have to completely learn about a whole new subject before you did the interview.

Josh Moran:         10:40          Yeah. I always tell people that when they ask me like, "Oh, what's it like doing the podcast?" And I'm like, "I've literally... This is the greatest opportunity I've ever had." I literally get to sit down and learn about things that I, quite honestly, don't have any business learning about. I mean I get to sit down with people well above my pay grade, out of my league a hundred percent, and just get to ask questions and learn and learn and learn. And I know so much about so many different realms of OAC's research, things that I didn't know existed. Things that I didn't know we were doing. And I mean, to have the opportunity to share that has just been an honor.

Stephanie Craig:    11:13          Well I have to say that our listeners think that you probably did a pretty good job hosting because we've had quite a few listens and downloads so far. So I thought maybe I would share a few stats with you. As of yesterday, which is December 9, so today is December 10th when we're recording this episode, we had 1,927 listens or downloads. So we're probably, by the time this airs, going to be at 2000, which is pretty cool. So I mentioned before that our top episode, listen wise, was Why Are Bees Struggling. The second was actually episode one about How Can Food Treat Cancer, which was a very popular topic. Number three was episode two, How Can Test Tubes Make 10 Million Trees? So that's Graeme's favorite. Episode five was How Does Plant Based Meat Change the Menu. And then the next one was actually episode nine, How Can Dairy Genomics Fight Climate Change. Which I have to say is one that is very interesting, so I was glad to see that it was as high up on the list as it was.

Stephanie Craig:    12:08          Another stat that I thought that our listeners might find interesting is where people are listening from. So as you would expect, the majority of listeners actually came from Canada, but we did have quite a few loyal listeners in the United States and also in Spain and the United Kingdom. And then we have some listens in Australia and New Zealand, Germany and one listen in Peru. So I would love to hear from that listener if you are listening and we want to know your story. Are you a grad student there? How did you find us? What do you want to know more about?

Stephanie Craig:    12:40          It is a little bit unfair to compare some of these episodes because they have all been out different durations of time. But it's been really interesting to see which episodes have really spiked people's interest. And Jordan, I think that you also did a little bit of question asking on Instagram about what people were enjoying or wanting to know more about. So do you want to share that with the audience?

Jordan Terpstra:    13:01          Sure. So I'm going to use this time to plug our Instagram. And if you aren't following us you should definitely follow us. So our Instagram is @whyandhowpodcast, and and is spelled A-N-W. Yeah, so I tried to engage with some-

Stephanie Craig:    13:14          Wait, A-N-W?

Jordan Terpstra:    13:18          Sorry. A-N-D. Sorry. [crosstalk 00:13:17].

Stephanie Craig:    13:22          Please keep that in the episode.

Jordan Terpstra:    13:23          A-N-W. I'm hungry.

Josh Moran:         13:23          Too plant-based thinking.

Jordan Terpstra:    13:26          I'm hungry. Okay. Sorry. And our Instagram is @whyandhowpodcast, and and is spelled A-N-D. So I was trying to engage with some of our followers and kind of see how they're feeling about the podcast and kind of things that they want to hear. So on Instagram I asked some of our followers of potential topics that they want to see in the future. So we've got a couple of answers with that. So the first one was anything surrounding the emerging cannabis industry and how Guelph is contributing. So that's definitely a hot topic that I'm shocked we haven't covered yet, but we definitely, I'm sure we can cover in the future. And so I'm sure Graeme will be excited about that. Another-

Stephanie Craig:    14:03          Because he's interested in plants.

Jordan Terpstra:    14:05          Yes.

Stephanie Craig:    14:05          Just to clarify.

Jordan Terpstra:    14:06          Yes. Because Graeme is interested in plants. Another one was ag business and finance. So this follower actually asked us after we released Brendan's episode, so I'm sure that they enjoyed that one and want to hear more.

Stephanie Craig:    14:20          That's a big topic. We're going to have to maybe narrow that one down.

Jordan Terpstra:    14:23          Yes, that is definitely a broad topic. We had a turf grass. So someone is interested in learning more about turf grass. And then I think this one was slightly a joke, but neuroscience. So someone wants to hear about neuroscience, but I don't know of any OAC people working on neuroscience.

Stephanie Craig:    14:42          There, I think, is actually a collaborative PhD program in neuroscience.

Josh Moran:         14:48          That would be a fun one to get the pre-research for. Oh my Lord. Things that are simple are over my head, so that's going to be...

Stephanie Craig:    14:53          But yeah, I think maybe there's partnership with animal bio-sciences or maybe there's a connection to toxicology. I think we might be able to find that one for that listener.

Jordan Terpstra:    15:01          Perfect. Very cool. And so then I also did a couple polls. So I was curious to know if our listeners would want to hear us chat to U of G alumni working in the industry and talking with them to answer the why and how. So we had quite a few people vote in and so it was a 98% yes. And a 2% said keep it the same with just what we're doing. So I think we'll definitely try in the new year to try and incorporate some alumni and chat with them, which would be really cool.

Jordan Terpstra:    15:31          And then another poll was I had said that we usually talk with profs or grad students and I was just curious if people had a preference of prof over grad student. It was almost a 50/50 split. And so 57% of people preferred when we chatted with profs and 43% preferred when we chatted with grad students. So that was some cool feedback that we got.

Stephanie Craig:    15:53          Yeah, a good balance.

Jordan Terpstra:    15:54          Yeah.

Stephanie Craig:    15:54          Nice. I also think that you received an interesting question on Instagram that I'm actually going to pose to all of you. And that was one of our listeners wanted to know, who do you think is your dream person to interview? Maybe in life and also on campus. So I'm curious, Josh, do you have-

Josh Moran:         16:12          Living or dead?

Stephanie Craig:    16:13          You can pick. I'll leave that open.

Josh Moran:         16:14          I'd pick living then. I think that if it comes down to getting a hold of someone and interviewing someone that's going to be a professor here, just to be a little more realistic with it because I would love, love, love, love to interview Matt Anderson, my favorite blues musician, but I don't think that's going to happen and it wouldn't really relate to agriculture so... But I would probably want to interview Dr. Prosser from... He does work with toxicology. I just recently finished a course up called Pesticides in the Environment and I mean the draw of that course was absolutely phenomenal. And he also had a lot of video parts in some of the featured lectures and I thought they were really, really well done and I thought he was very well spoken. So I thought it'd be... I think it'd be super cool to have him on just, again, everyone at the university has a wealth of knowledge, but this is something that I think I'm pretty interested in.

Stephanie Craig:    17:03          Yeah, and he's a fairly new prof to the school environmental sciences. So I think that would be actually a neat person to have on. He does lots of really interesting and applicable research that people are very interested in to know. Like how are chemicals or how are pesticides impacting the environment and impacting our animals and different ecosystems, for sure. All right, Jordan. What do you think?

Jordan Terpstra:    17:26          So I think my dream person to interview, on-campus, I think Youbin Zheng, Prof. Youbin Zheng. I had him in a fourth year class and he was a hoot to have as a prof and he was just, he's probably one of my favorite teachers throughout my undergrad. And so he does research in cannabis. He does research and greenhouses, green roofs, controlled environments and urban agriculture. So he definitely has a broad range of research topics, but I think either him or someone within his lab would be really cool people to interview.

Jordan Terpstra:    18:01          Another prof, I think this is kind of tied, is Prof. Karen Landman. So similar in some ways. So she is... She does landscape architecture. And so I think I... We haven't talked to a landscape architecture student or faculty yet. But she also does urban agriculture, green space and urban communities, things like that. So I think that would be a really cool one to interview and chat with.

Jordan Terpstra:    18:24          And then I tried to think about this... Like outside of The Why and How if I had to interview anyone. And there's definitely people that I follow on Instagram and things like that I would probably want to interview, but our listeners would probably have no idea who they are. But I think similar to Josh, I'm a big fan of Mumford and Sons. They're probably my favorite band. So I think if I could sit down with Marcus Mumford and chat with him about music and things like that, I think that'd be really cool.

Stephanie Craig:    18:47          Nice. Yeah, it would be really fun for me to sit down with Cardi B and ask her about agriculture and food. What a great conversation that would be. I would love it.

Graeme Li:          18:58          What kind of fur is this?

Stephanie Craig:    19:00          Alrighty Graeme, how about you? Who would you like to interview?

Graeme Li:          19:03          On campus, I'm looking to interview Manish Raizada. So that's a call out right now, again. He runs his own lab here and he's basically just trying to solve world hunger, I think is his overall view, while uplifting small holder farmers. So I'm not sure all of his projects, but he always has something on the go. That's why he seems so busy.

Stephanie Craig:    19:27          And that's a... He's one of your first year profs, right?

Graeme Li:          19:30          Yes.

Stephanie Craig:    19:31          Very cool. What course was it that he was teaching?

Graeme Li:          19:33          That's agri food systems.

Stephanie Craig:    19:35          And he's a co-professor or how does that work?

Graeme Li:          19:36          Yeah, a co-professor. So he runs the course but he is one of three professors that gives the lectures.

Stephanie Craig:    19:42          Cool. And that's a course I think that all of our bachelor of science in agriculture students take, right?

Graeme Li:          19:45          Yeah.

Stephanie Craig:    19:46          Yeah. Nice. And what about in life?

Graeme Li:          19:48          In terms of life, I think Bill Gates would be super interested in an interview. Because I mean he's got the billions and then he just decided one day to try and save the world, essentially.

Josh Moran:         19:58          Yeah, you could ask him for a loan.

Graeme Li:          20:00          Yeah.

Stephanie Craig:    20:00          Well. And he also actually would work with the theme of this podcast because they've got a lot of interesting work or interest in food and agriculture and how that affects people's lives.

Jordan Terpstra:    20:10          Maybe we'll start sending out some emails. That'll be your first task. Try and get Bill Gates.

Stephanie Craig:    20:14          Yes.

Graeme Li:          20:14          Yeah, let's make it happen.

Jordan Terpstra:    20:15          We'll start easy.

Stephanie Craig:    20:16          That's how we we'll... Your performance evaluation will be based on that.

Josh Moran:         20:18          LinkedIn call out. Bill Gates.

Stephanie Craig:    20:20          Maybe it'll work. So I do have a couple more questions that I think that our audience might be interested in. So I'm just curious for each of you to talk about what the best and worst part of starting this podcast was. Because this was a new adventure that we just kind of flung ourselves into and tried it out and said, "Okay, let's make this work." So Josh, what was the best and worst part?

Josh Moran:         20:41          I'd say the best part is probably where we are now. I mean my overall goal with the podcast was to hopefully... And thanks to you guys, it happened. Was to create something that could be carried on for years and years and years, hopefully. And now seeing Graham starting to come on, it's very satisfying in that sense to see someone else can benefit from this project hopefully as much as I have, right? So that's definitely been the best part. And that's what's made it super rewarding.

Josh Moran:         21:14          I think the worst part was probably just trying to get things ready. Because it's... When you're sitting down and you're trying to figure out how things work, there's going to be a lot of... You're going to be wrong a lot. Which is fine, but I'm a very ideas, ideas, ideas sort of person and maybe not as strong on the whole execution part. So just to come out and throw things out there and having to sit down and take that criticism and then go back to the drawing board constantly is frustrating. But I think it's been so worth it in terms of making a product that's, I think, been able to shine. So that's probably been... I mean even when it is the worst, I mean it's... It's still worth it because it makes it... It's a part of contributing to what makes it the best, right? So that's probably my answers.

Stephanie Craig:    22:01          So Josh was a... Started off as an intern in our office for the summer. And so a big thing about whenever interns start in our communications office, that idea of being a wrong a lot and having to learn a lot is always a learning curve. So I'm glad that you can see the value in it. How about you, Jordan? Best and worst part?

Jordan Terpstra:    22:20          I think similar to what Josh was saying earlier, probably the best part is just being able to sit down with these people and talk about these topics. And I think just having that experience of talking with these broad range of topics that I now carry into my life and when I'm talking to people or when something's on the news, I feel more informed in certain topics that I probably didn't know much about before. So I think that's pretty cool. And I think even just seeing them on campus too, I've seen the guests that we've interviewed quite frequently on campus. So it's just nice to be able to see them and it's building that community as well.

Jordan Terpstra:    22:55          And worst... I don't think I can say worst. I think the most challenging is just that podcasts are hard to do. And I think for anybody who's listening and who's aspiring to do a podcast, it's a lot of work. And I think for Stephanie, Josh and myself to be working, all three of us, collaboratively, throughout and we all had our parts to play and Jacob and Kyle as well. So we all put in a lot of work and so I'm super proud of it. But that's definitely, again, I wouldn't say worst, but it was most challenging. And then I think also, no offense to our first three guests, but I was so excited about when we first released those episodes. And I listened to those episodes so many times that I could probably rehearse them word to word.

Josh Moran:         23:37          Verbatim.

Jordan Terpstra:    23:38          Verbatim, yeah. So I think just having to listen to the same thing over and over again is tough at times too.

Josh Moran:         23:45          I'm glad he didn't say the worst part was working with me. So...

Stephanie Craig:    23:47          Awkward.

Jordan Terpstra:    23:47          I didn't think that'd be appropriate to bring up today.

Stephanie Craig:    23:51          Yeah. So I think for me, listening to the episodes a couple of times in a row is fun, but then having to figure out what to cut. So some of our episodes were like an hour 30 and then having to figure out how to cut those. So shout out to Jacob and Kyle who are our behind the scenes tech masters who do all the recording and then also all of the preliminary edits and then we send back edits and they make them all happen and make us sound professional and take out all the ums and ahs. So I'm sure for as much as we were annoyed with having to listen to everyone's voices over and over again, they might've been a little bit more.

Stephanie Craig:    24:27          So I would like to actually turn this over to our new podcast host, Graeme. We want maybe our viewers to get to know you a little bit better. And so I thought, what's a good way of doing that? And Vogue does this really interesting video series where they ask 73 questions of famous people and they videotape them, but we don't have time to ask you 73 questions. So I thought maybe that I could ask you as many questions as possible in 73 seconds and you could try to answer them all rapid fire. Are you game? Do you accept?

Graeme Li:          25:03          I'm game. I'm here now. So you got me on the hot seat.

Stephanie Craig:    25:06          Okay, Graeme. I have my timer set. Are you ready?

Graeme Li:          25:09          I'm ready.

Stephanie Craig:    25:10          Okay. For the benefit of our listeners, I'm going to do a countdown. Three, two, one, go. All right. What's your full name?

Graeme Li:          25:18          Graeme Godfrey Li.

Stephanie Craig:    25:20          Where is your hometown?

Graeme Li:          25:21          Ottawa.

Stephanie Craig:    25:22          What's your program?

Graeme Li:          25:23          Bachelor of science and agriculture.

Stephanie Craig:    25:25          Do you know what your major is going to be?

Graeme Li:          25:27          Probably CHATS.

Stephanie Craig:    25:30          Okay. What was your favorite class in high school?

Graeme Li:          25:33          Biology.

Stephanie Craig:    25:34          What has been your favorite class the first semester of university?

Graeme Li:          25:36          Definitely agri food systems.

Stephanie Craig:    25:38          Best place to eat on campus?

Graeme Li:          25:40          Creelman, without a doubt.

Stephanie Craig:    25:41          Have you painted The Cannon?

Graeme Li:          25:43          Yes.

Stephanie Craig:    25:44          What's your favorite color?

Graeme Li:          25:46          Red.

Stephanie Craig:    25:47          The favorite place you've traveled to?

Graeme Li:          25:50          Peru.

Stephanie Craig:    25:51          Cat or dog?

Graeme Li:          25:52          Dog, for sure.

Stephanie Craig:    25:53          Cow or horse?

Graeme Li:          25:54          Cow.

Stephanie Craig:    25:55          Chips or chocolate?

Graeme Li:          25:57          Chips.

Stephanie Craig:    25:59          Favorite way to procrastinate from studying?

Graeme Li:          26:03          Watch YouTube.

Stephanie Craig:    26:04          What's an album or artist that you've been listening to a lot lately?

Graeme Li:          26:06          Badkid by Bakar.

Stephanie Craig:    26:10          And what's your favorite podcast or favorite podcast hosts?

Graeme Li:          26:12          The OAC podcast, without a doubt. The Why and How podcast.

Stephanie Craig:    26:16          That is the right answer. Do you have any hidden talents?

Graeme Li:          26:21          No.

Stephanie Craig:    26:21          What's an item you couldn't live without?

Graeme Li:          26:25          Earphones.

Stephanie Craig:    26:25          Awesome. Very good.

Graeme Li:          26:27          Oh my...

Josh Moran:         26:29          Perfect timing. I didn't know you were from Ottawa.

Graeme Li:          26:31          Yeah.

Josh Moran:         26:31          [inaudible 00:26:31] go eastern Ontario.

Stephanie Craig:    26:33          So impressed, you answered all of those-

Graeme Li:          26:35          Oh, nice.

Stephanie Craig:    26:36          In the 73 seconds. So I guess you are still hired.

Graeme Li:          26:38          Perfect timing.

Stephanie Craig:    26:41          I think that you actually had some questions that you wanted to ask Josh and Jordan, potentially.

Graeme Li:          26:45          Yeah. So seeing as I am hopefully taking over the podcast, what's the general process behind getting a podcast ready?

Jordan Terpstra:    26:54          Yeah, I think, I think Josh can answer that one first. Because you're usually the one who does the...

Josh Moran:         26:59          Like reaching out and whatnot, eh?

Jordan Terpstra:    27:01          Yeah.

Josh Moran:         27:01          Okay. Yeah. So, I mean when it comes down to it, you send out a lot of emails. You look for topical research, interesting research, throughout the OAC and then you figure out who's heading this sort of stuff, how can we get it out there? And then you just start sending emails out saying you find this facet of their research interesting and you are wondering if they'd be... Usually reaching out to to professors and advisors and saying, "I found this part of your research very interesting. Would you happen to have any graduate students who are doing this or would you be willing to speak to this?"

Josh Moran:         27:34          And then hopefully they say yes and then you reach out, you do up a brief general outline, you send it to them. We pre meet, figure out what we can and can't top talk about, just in terms of getting things set up. And then eventually you come to recording day and bang out an awesome product, hopefully.

Stephanie Craig:    27:53          That where the magic happens.

Josh Moran:         27:54          Yeah.

Jordan Terpstra:    27:55          Yeah. And I think just when it comes to selecting guests, we... Josh had a couple of ideas and knew some personal connections that we interviewed, but also just kind of working together to use Stephanie and I's connections with the college and finding people to interview. So that's kind of a fun process to find either topics or find people and then figure out what topic we want to talk about. And then there's a lot of behind the scenes stuff with the editing and the social media and putting it on the website and all of our platforms and things like that as well.

Josh Moran:         28:24          It's also a goal to make sure that we're reaching to every unit in the OAC as well, so representing plants as well as animals as well as environmental design and rural development and so on and so forth.

Graeme Li:          28:36          All right. And seeing as I'll be hosting, what advice do you have for me moving forward?

Josh Moran:         28:42          I'd say just have fun with it. I mean, it's pretty easy to overthink it. I mean, I still tend to I think. But if you just sit there and you enjoy the experience and enjoy the opportunity of getting to talk with these incredible minds, it definitely makes it a lot more enjoyable. If you don't worry about how you're going to sound and you're just moreso interested in getting the information that... Because of the reality is is that if you have questions and you're asking these questions, someone else is going to ask these questions and have these questions as well, right? So I'd just say enjoy it. Have fun with it. That's what it's all about.

Jordan Terpstra:    29:21          Yeah. I'd say the same thing. I was going to say have fun with it. I think also just be able to go with the flow I think. There's going to be hiccups and challenges along the way that you... From episode to episode it's going to be different every time. So I think just being able to go with it, have fun and yeah... I think that's it.

Stephanie Craig:    29:40          Cool. So moving into 2020, we're going to let Graeme kind of settle into the new role. We're actually going to take a hiatus, a break, in January so we can start recording. We have been releasing in batches the last little while and why we wanted to do that is we wanted all of our new listeners to be able to binge on episodes or find their favorite topic. But now we've got a good batch of episodes so we're going to probably do a pause for January, get Graeme on board, start recording and then we'll be releasing an episode every two weeks, probably on Tuesdays. But sometimes that doesn't always happen, so that's why I've put the probably. But that'll be our new format going forward.

Stephanie Craig:    30:19          And if you have feedback, let us know on Instagram if you're enjoying it or you want to see the batch format come back, that would be great. One of the neat things about podcasts is you can be pretty nimble in your approach and change based on listener feedback. So yeah, let us know what you think. We are at the close of our holiday special. I have finished almost all of my eggnog, so I'm going to stick with the normal podcast format that Josh and Jordan have gone along with all this way and ask the question, do you have any shout outs you want to give? Graeme, do you have any shout outs?

Graeme Li:          30:52          I guess shout out my parents and all my friends back home in Ottawa. We made it to the internet, I guess.

Stephanie Craig:    31:01          You're internet famous now.

Graeme Li:          31:02          Yeah.

Stephanie Craig:    31:04          And Jordan, do you have any shout outs?

Jordan Terpstra:    31:07          I think I just want to make a shout out to Josh and Stephanie and Graeme. Thank you all so much for everything that you've contributed so far and I'm super excited, Graeme, for what's to come. I think also just shout out to all of our followers and our listeners. My friends and family who like to tell me and give me updates on the episodes that they're listening to and the things that they found funny and interesting. So shout out to them.

Josh Moran:         31:31          Shout outs for me. Oh Lord, thank you Jordan. Well of course I'd like to shout out to all my friends back home in eastern Ontario as well. Just east of Ottawa, believe it or not. It's crazy. I actually had no idea you were from Ottawa. That's awesome. But now that I have everyone in this room here, I'd like to take a moment to shout all you guys out. Because I, again, this project would have never came to be if it wasn't for every single last one of you, right? So thank you, Jordan, for being there on with every episode and sitting down and helping me talk through some of these things so we can figure out how to make this work really well.

Josh Moran:         32:05          And Stephanie, thank you for agreeing to sit down with me months and months ago and not just saying this idea is silly. Because I was by no means, how do you say this? I by no means had the credentials that made me the person for this job at the time. So thanks for putting that faith into me. And also a big thank you to Kyle and Jacob. You guys, man, the work you guys do is phenomenal. The quality of the podcasts in terms of the way that they sound and the magic you guys work, you're true technical magicians. It's phenomenal. And I mean, we couldn't ask for a better team. And thanks to Graeme. Thanks for stepping up and applying to this job and taking it over. You're going to do a great job and I'm really excited for that as well. So that's the end of my shout outs. Not to get too sentimental but thank you guys.

Stephanie Craig:    32:53          My shout out is to Kyle and Jacob's manager that they should update their titles to, what did you say? Technical magician.

Josh Moran:         33:00          Technical magicians.

Stephanie Craig:    33:01          Yes. New business cards for everyone. I also want to make a shout out to Jordan for being a very loyal friend of the show. Always there recording and making edits. To Graeme, who's going to be taking things on. And then Josh. And we have actually a little present because this is our holiday special. We have a present for Josh that we're going to make him open right now, on air.

Josh Moran:         33:22          I would just open it and we won't say what it is.

Stephanie Craig:    33:24          No, you have to because that's part [crosstalk 00:33:25] you said.

Josh Moran:         33:30          Just kidding. Oh, wow. It's a photo of me.

Stephanie Craig:    33:32          You kind of have to describe it, Josh.

Josh Moran:         33:34          I was just kidding. Oh, thank you so much guys.

Stephanie Craig:    33:37          So this is beer from Shane Walker, who was the host or the, sorry, the guest of our beer episode. And so he made up a couple of interesting little batches for you to drink.

Josh Moran:         33:50          Oh my God, this is so cool. Actually, this is really cool. This is awesome. This is really, really cool.

Stephanie Craig:    33:56          And we also have a proper wrapped gift for you to open.

Josh Moran:         33:58          Oh my God. Shane... That's so cool. Shane's a really cool guy. Thanks so much guys. Oh my Lord.

Stephanie Craig:    34:03          Hopefully the crinkling of the wrapping paper is not too annoying for our listeners.

Josh Moran:         34:07          You guys didn't have to do this. Thank you. Oh, this is so nice. It's the... It's the certificate of merit from the Best of CAMA awards. Thank you so much guys.

Stephanie Craig:    34:20          Yeah, so the other shout out is that our podcast is actually award winning now, ladies and gentlemen. It's very exciting. So we submitted the podcast to the Best of CAMA, which is the Canadian Agri- Marketing Association awards program. And so it won a certificate of merit, which is essentially a second place. So it is the second best radio podcast thing in Canadian agricultural marketing. So that's pretty awesome.

Josh Moran:         34:47          Thank you so much guys.

Stephanie Craig:    34:48          Insert canned applause here.

Josh Moran:         34:48          We're going for first place in 2020.

Jordan Terpstra:    34:55          Yeah, no pressure.

Stephanie Craig:    34:58          So then the other question that you guys always ask at the end of the episode, is anything exciting happening in your lives that you maybe want to mention? So I'll start with Jordan.

Jordan Terpstra:    35:07          I think I'm just excited. I have a niece who is turning one in January and I also have another niece who was born a couple of weeks ago, so I also should have made a shout out to them, Abby and Alex. So I think I'm just super excited about the holidays coming up and being able to spend time with them.

Stephanie Craig:    35:22          Nice. Graeme, I'm sure you're looking forward to being done exams and back home?

Graeme Li:          35:25          Yep. First exams are almost done. So looking forward to getting home and then looking forward to second semester and learning a lot more.

Stephanie Craig:    35:34          So what's the class that you're most excited about for next semester?

Graeme Li:          35:37          Probably FARE. So that's food and agriculture resource economics. And yeah, it sounds super interesting.

Stephanie Craig:    35:44          Cool. And how about Josh? What's happening exciting in your life?

Josh Moran:         35:48          Yeah. Right now I'm lucky to be a part of a few fun initiatives. There's a group from Georgetown that's actually collecting non-perishables and old coats and sweaters and we're giving that out to homeless folks in the GTA. Also, I'm very excited to be, in the new year, we're recording a mental health promotion video with a hundred different OAC students, which I'm super duper excited about. I can't wait to see that kind of come to fruition.

Stephanie Craig:    36:21          And where can our listeners find that? Will it be posted on YouTube or on Facebook or...?

Josh Moran:         36:25          I'd imagine that's where we'll have it up. But we pretty well are beyond our planning phase, it's just about figuring out time slots. So if anyone's interested in being a part of that who knows me, feel free to reach out. The more people, the better. We have a really strong community here at the OAC with the aggies, and it's good to know that people are there for each other.

Stephanie Craig:    36:45          Cool. Well that wraps up our holiday special. So I do want to wish all of our listeners a safe, happy, restful, and very inquisitive December and January. You'll hear back from us in February. And I will pass it off to Josh to do the final farewell in his normal format.

Josh Moran:         37:01          Thanks for listening. Till next time.

Josh Moran:         37:06          The Why and How podcast is published by the Ontario Agricultural College of the University of Guelph. And it's produced by Stephanie Craig and Jordan Terpstra. Recording and editing done by Jacob [inaudible 00:37:18] and Kyle Richie. The host is me, Josh Moran.